<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Following up on mhartwx's message. I'm using FIOS and I think its great. My network has a NSLU2 (NSLUG Debian), Dell 9100 (Ubuntu), Dell 266 (various OS), Dell 510 (XP), Apple iMac (OSX) and HPC2500 plus my work laptop (XP) when I bring it home.<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>The Verizon wireless router is an Actiontec device. Its very comprehensive and you get access to all the features via http/https with your username/password. It provides various types of WPA (as well as WEP or nothing) for wireless encryption. It allows me to "DNS" all my devices so I don't have to remember IP addresses (which always change as I use DHCP). I've set up static and dynamic addressing along with naming. This has allowed me to set up the paths to the NSLU2 by name not number. I've not had this capability before on a residential router so I'm impressed.</div><div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>The FIOS service is excellent - running Debian and making lots of use of apt-get - upgrades, updates and additions - download speeds are more a function of the server than the network in between.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>The router installation was very good and straight forward. We have telephone and TV as well via Verizon - but all done at different time (our choice not theirs.) The installation comprises of the router, small external power supply, a Cat-5 cable run for the WAN-side connection and a coax cable run for the cable TV-side connection (as we have their TV service). You have 4 Ethernet ports for your own use along with the wireless network. Note that the cable TV set top box appears in your IP address space (in our case at 192.168.1.100) but its not an issue in our case. I've got the router mounted in our basement with no problems getting wifi connections anywhere in our home.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>If there have been any problem the tech support have been very knowledgeable and helpful - and actually treated you as if you may know something about computers and networks as well. The only major problem we've had is the router failed completely on Dec 26. We received a new router via UPS on Dec 28 which I just plugged in and set up and we were back in cyberspace very quickly. Very good service.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I hope this is useful. Post any more questions and I'll try to help.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>GD [Arkhitekton]</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I remember some CALUG discussion a year or so ago when Verizon started wiring this part of Maryland for FIOS. Have any CALUG members switched over to FIOS & how do they like it, now that it's been here for a while? Did they rip out your copper phone lines & how has their battery system worked when the power went out? That's been a big sticking point with me. I'd like to dump my dial-up & am not a fan of COMCAST (& the dual TV-Internet Verizon packages look pretty good). Are there any snags involved in using Linux with FIOS? I'm using Mandriva 2007 (I got acquainted with Mandrake when I lived in OH - the LUG there were Mandrake fans) but could switch to Ubuntu or something else if necessary. I don't own a router & was thinking about using Verizon's - is there a different router I should consider? Can the same router be bought somewhere else? I plan to to some talking with Verizon before I order but it may be hard to get past the sales people to their techies for the real info. One other thing I've been wondering about - my circa 1990 house has the standard phone & cable TV wiring, so is it worthwhile to install something like cat-5? I'm looking toward the future which is always difficult where technology is concerned.</blockquote></blockquote><div><br><div><div>On Jan 3, 2008, at 12:00 PM, <a href="mailto:calug-request@unknownlamer.org">calug-request@unknownlamer.org</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Send CALUG mailing list submissions to</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="mailto:calug@unknownlamer.org">calug@unknownlamer.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://lists.unknownlamer.org/listinfo/calug">http://lists.unknownlamer.org/listinfo/calug</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="mailto:calug-request@unknownlamer.org">calug-request@unknownlamer.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">You can reach the person managing the list at</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="mailto:calug-owner@unknownlamer.org">calug-owner@unknownlamer.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">than "Re: Contents of CALUG digest..."</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Today's Topics:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>1. Re: LINUX & FIOS - backup (John Hengen)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>2. Re: Linux & FIOS (Willie Kupersanin)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 17px; "><b></b><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">John Hengen <<a href="mailto:jghengen1@verizon.net">jghengen1@verizon.net</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; text-indent: -40px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">January 2, 2008 8:05:10 PM EST</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 27px; text-indent: -27px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><a href="mailto:CALUG@unknownlamer.org">CALUG@unknownlamer.org</a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 61px; text-indent: -61px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: [CALUG] LINUX & FIOS - backup</b></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">P Yasuda wrote:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Interesting. I was wondering how their super deluxe detectors find optical</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">lines.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">But are you sure the embedded wire is connected to anything? It would be</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">detectable even if it's not. So maybe you are electrically isolated after</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">all?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">py</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-----</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">All I know about the wire is that the man that climbs the pole in the street said there was a wire in the fiber entrance cable so they could find it when it was buried. All my service comes overhead from a pole line out in front of my mid-fifties house./</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">My concern is that a conductor picks up energy from passing radio waves and then re-radiates some of that energy to the local environment, as well as conducting whatever energy is on the pole into my house. Oh well, I still have the power line & old telephone line to bring unwanted stuff in./</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 17px; "><b></b><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">Willie Kupersanin <<a href="mailto:wkupersa@gmail.com">wkupersa@gmail.com</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; text-indent: -40px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">January 2, 2008 10:29:46 PM EST</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 27px; text-indent: -27px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">mhartwx <<a href="mailto:mhartwx@sprintmail.com">mhartwx@sprintmail.com</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 27px; text-indent: -27px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Cc: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><a href="mailto:CALUG@unknownlamer.org">CALUG@unknownlamer.org</a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 61px; text-indent: -61px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: [CALUG] Linux & FIOS</b></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I have had FIOS for a few months now and have had no problems with it other than the fact that one day they mysteriously decided it was time to start bocking incoming 80/tcp. One interesting thing about the service that I haven't seen mentioned yet is that the provided router is running BusyBox, an embedded Linux.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Enjoy,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--Willie</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">mhartwx wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I remember some CALUG discussion a year or so ago when Verizon started wiring this part of Maryland for FIOS.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Have any CALUG members switched over to FIOS & how do they like it, now that it's been here for a while?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Did they rip out your copper phone lines & how has their battery system worked when the power went out?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>That's been a big sticking point with me.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I'd like to dump my dial-up & am not a fan of COMCAST (& the dual TV-Internet Verizon packages look pretty good).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Are there any snags involved in using Linux with FIOS?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I'm using Mandriva 2007 (I got acquainted with Mandrake when I lived in OH - the LUG there were Mandrake fans) but could switch to Ubuntu or something else if necessary. I don't own a router & was thinking about using Verizon's - is there a different router I should consider? <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Can the same router be bought somewhere else?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I plan to to some talking with Verizon before I order but it may be hard to get past the sales people to their techies for the real info.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>One other thing I've been wondering about - my circa 1990 house has the standard phone & cable TV wiring, so is it worthwhile to install something like cat-5?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I'm looking toward the future which is always difficult where technology is concerned.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ml hart</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">CALUG mailing list</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:CALUG@unknownlamer.org">CALUG@unknownlamer.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://lists.unknownlamer.org/listinfo/calug">http://lists.unknownlamer.org/listinfo/calug</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></p> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">CALUG mailing list</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:CALUG@unknownlamer.org">CALUG@unknownlamer.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://lists.unknownlamer.org/listinfo/calug">http://lists.unknownlamer.org/listinfo/calug</a></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></body></html>