[CALUG] CALUG Digest, Vol 13, Issue 4
Steve Kain
sckain at gmail.com
Mon Jan 14 13:04:46 EST 2008
Russ,
Try to get the specific error and post it back. I recall forgetting to
import the gpg key(s) when adding repos in the past and it creating an
issue.
A place where I found a lot of good advice for YUM (and other config issues)
was http://www.linuxquestions.org/ .
Good Luck
Steve Kain
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> 3. Re: Linux software management (Bernard Karmilowicz)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:44:17 -0500 (EST)
> From: Russ <rmain at polaris.umuc.edu>
> Subject: [CALUG] Linux software management
> To: Calug Mailing List <calug at unknownlamer.org>
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> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to understand the complexitites of managing software on a
> Linux machine. I just installed CentOS, and I want to download and
> install J2EE and Eclipse. I'm a Linux beginner. Should all my software
> come from the manufactureers recommended repositories in order to retain a
> stable system? I added the jpackage.repo to my 'yum.repos.d' directory
> and it seems to work fine. I also tried adding the dries.repo and the
> dag.repo, and neither of those worked. I was following dries and dag web
> site recommendations/instuctions on how to add the repos, but my system
> complained about not finding the /var/cache/dag and the
> /var/cache/dries directories. I've been looking online in the tldp web
> site, Linux books, and the CentOS documentation. I figure I'm not setting
> up the .repo files properly. Sorry I can't send them with this email at
> this time, but any help would be appreiated. Any suggestions on where I
> can learn more about repos and software management? If you need more
> info please let me know.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Russ Main
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:56:48 -0500
> From: Brandon Checketts <brandon at brandonchecketts.com>
> Subject: Re: [CALUG] Linux software management
> To: Russ <rmain at polaris.umuc.edu>
> Cc: Calug Mailing List <calug at unknownlamer.org>
> Message-ID: <47828400.1060805 at brandonchecketts.com>
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> Russ,
>
> rpmforge actually has a package to install, that will install the the
> necessary
> files. I usually do this:
>
> Find the appropriate file from
> http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/rpmforge-release/ It will be named
> 0.3.6.el<VERSION>.rf.<ARCH>.rpm
>
> Where VERSION is either 4 or 5 depending on whether you are using CentOS4
> or
> CentOS5. ARCH should be either i386 or x86_64
>
> wget
>
> http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/rpmforge-release/rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.i386.rpm
> rpm -ivh rpmforge*
>
> You can then 'yum install whatever' and it should include the rpmforge
> repositories.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Brandon Checketts
>
>
>
> Russ wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm trying to understand the complexitites of managing software on a
> > Linux machine. I just installed CentOS, and I want to download and
> > install J2EE and Eclipse. I'm a Linux beginner. Should all my software
> > come from the manufactureers recommended repositories in order to retain
> a
> > stable system? I added the jpackage.repo to my 'yum.repos.d' directory
> > and it seems to work fine. I also tried adding the dries.repo and the
> > dag.repo, and neither of those worked. I was following dries and dag
> web
> > site recommendations/instuctions on how to add the repos, but my system
> > complained about not finding the /var/cache/dag and the
> > /var/cache/dries directories. I've been looking online in the tldp web
> > site, Linux books, and the CentOS documentation. I figure I'm not
> setting
> > up the .repo files properly. Sorry I can't send them with this email at
> > this time, but any help would be appreiated. Any suggestions on where I
> > can learn more about repos and software management? If you need more
> > info please let me know.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Russ Main
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > CALUG at unknownlamer.org
> > http://lists.unknownlamer.org/listinfo/calug
> >
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:13:56 -0500
> From: Bernard Karmilowicz <karmilow at intencorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [CALUG] Linux software management
> To: Russ <rmain at polaris.umuc.edu>
> Cc: calug at unknownlamer.org
> Message-ID: <47830694.6040500 at intencorp.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi Russ:
>
> > Should all my software come from the manufactureers recommended
> > repositories in order to retain a stable system?
>
> Not for Linux to run stable, but rather for the user applications you
> install to run stable (if at all).
>
> Application packages are assembled under assumptions (shared library
> versions, config file locations, C headers, etc.) that may not apply to
> your manufacturer's particular Linux distro.
>
> A work-around (that I prefer to packages) is to download the
> applications of interest from the respective developer ftp/web sites,
> and compile the applications locally. This ensures the application is
> built against your system files. In my experience, the compiles usually
> complete without error, so the local builds do not require a significant
> effort. Generally, more time is spent reading each application's README
> and INSTALL files than performing the installations.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> - Bernie
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:32:57 -0500
> From: Jim Sansing <jjsansing at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [CALUG] Linux software management
> To: calug at unknownlamer.org
> Message-ID: <478397A9.5090908 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> While what Bernie describes is true, there is one caveat,
> which is also true if you get a package from the project's
> site or even some third party repositories. You now have
> to take responsibility for updates (especially security) by
> monitoring the project's announcements, which reminds
> me of that OS with major security problems because it is
> so difficult to keep up with patches.
>
> This is an issue I have been ranting about for some time on
> various forums. I was hoping that the Linux Standard Base
> would be the solution, but it is too limited as it only covers
> the file hierarchy and compiled programs, with nothing about
> Perl/PHP/Java/other, databases, etc.
>
> I think the solution is to provide developers with a method
> of building their apps for the distros, including a way to
> make updates available thru the package manager. The
> ESP Package Manager (http://epmhome.org/index.php),
> from the people who brought us CUPS, is an example of
> this. But it only supports a few distros, and there is no
> 'vendor supported' repository for any distro that I know of.
>
> But this doesn't help the end user now. So something to think
> about when picking a distro is what apps are available for it in
> its repositories, just like we used to have to do a lot of research
> on what hardware is supported. Debian has the largest number
> of apps in their repositories, and they even have a 'non-free'
> repository where you can find Sun's Java, among others. I'm
> guessing Fedora is second. The number of apps supported
> by derivatives is (almost by definition) noticeably less.
>
> Later . . . Jim
>
>
> Bernard Karmilowicz wrote:
> > Hi Russ:
> >
> >
> >> Should all my software come from the manufactureers recommended
> >> repositories in order to retain a stable system?
> >>
> >
> > Not for Linux to run stable, but rather for the user applications you
> > install to run stable (if at all).
> >
> > Application packages are assembled under assumptions (shared library
> > versions, config file locations, C headers, etc.) that may not apply to
> > your manufacturer's particular Linux distro.
> >
> > A work-around (that I prefer to packages) is to download the
> > applications of interest from the respective developer ftp/web sites,
> > and compile the applications locally. This ensures the application is
> > built against your system files. In my experience, the compiles usually
> > complete without error, so the local builds do not require a significant
> > effort. Generally, more time is spent reading each application's README
> > and INSTALL files than performing the installations.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > - Bernie
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Steve Kain
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