[CALUG] Fedora upgrade .... CALUG Digest, Vol 54, Issue 14

[James Ewing Cottrell 3rd]

  ISTR that 100M is standard for the default /boot. Perhaps the upgrade 
stuff writes in /boot? Dunno.

In any case "one cylinder" is only about 8G. 63 sectors times 255 heads 
is 16065, which times 512 bytes is
just shy of 8G. Even at 255 sectors you're only up to 32G.

I find your comparison of F6 vs F12 quite interesting. I have also 
complained about Gratuitous Complexity in the Window System...why are 
things Actually Slower than they were 20 years ago?

Back in the Old Days, we used to mock overblown programs with the term 
"Feechers".

I wonder if the systems would run better if the Window Manager ran at a 
higher nice value than the apps, and the X Server at a higher one still.

JIM

On 6/19/2011 12:31 PM, Walt Smith wrote:
>
> I don't recall anyone saying why /boot needs so much
> space on an upgrade.
>
> I have 3 kernels on F12. I did rpm -i rather than rpm -U
> The biggest files in /boot are:
> initfs   11 meg
> vmlinuz  3.3 meg
> system.map  1.6 megs
>
> So I have 3 of each with a total /boot space of about 50 megs
> including misc files such as grub etc, most of which are "small".
> I can see some reason where an "upgrade" might require a bit more
> space that a single kernel install.  But gee whizz !!!
>
> The numbers bandied about suggest that the /boot wants to occupy
> a full cylinder of a disk ( or rather some upgrade script program
> wants the space) (true:  ???? , ????).
>
>
> -------
> As an aside,  I fired up a FC6 yesterday.
> The terminal fonts are nicer than F12.   The apps start faster.
> They run smooth, the mouse is most responsive.
>
> F12 is on a 2.8 gig box with 1 gig ram.
> FC6 is on a 667 mhz box with 512 megs ram.
>
> Generally, over the years this has always been the case: older runs faster
> on slower hardware ( I'd say a dozen comparisons ).   The older distros
> my have a (very) few less features....    but the sound plays and the 
> movies
> play.   It's the incompats with all the yearly  "newer" versions of the
> data files and servers that force me to upgrade my desktop OS.
> I was also surprised how little difference there was between the apps 
> in FC6 and F12.
> Memory ( human) can play tricks.  But I also preferred the look and 
> feel of the
> graphical boot window ( progress bar) and the FC6 desktop.
>
> I'd been looking forward ( somewhat)  to upgrading  ( new install on 
> other disk)
> to F15.   But I think I'll wait til the "next" edition (F16).   Guess 
> I should check the
> dev list to see what will be  "new" or greatly improved in F16. (if 
> anyone wants to donate
> to ca-list the improvements, please say).
>
> I know I've mention this subject before.  But it's been awhile and 
> thought with the recent
> thread "new vs upgrade install"  might be worth simply repeating at 
> this time.   Heaven knows
> how much longer the desktop will exist.  Most likely in 3 years, the 
> tablets ( or smartphones)
> will have enough power that desktops go away forever and laptops wilt 
> into server class performance
> machines.
>
>
> Walt............
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:02:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bryan J Smith <b.j.smith at ieee.org <mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org>>
> Subject: Re: [CALUG] Fedora upgrade unsuccessful
> To: Joe <joe_tseng at hotmail.com <mailto:joe_tseng at hotmail.com>>, 
> calug at unknownlamer.org <mailto:calug at unknownlamer.org>
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> Yep, 200MB isn't going to be enough for /boot.  Recommend 512MiB or 1GiB
> (1024MiB) at least.
>
> As far as requiring a "fresh install," that's not true at all.  Use a 
> Resizing
> Boot CD, run system-config-lvm to shrink the LV-VG-PV and then gparted to
> increase the size of /boot.
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